. >> steve: hillary clinton. >> we followed the president and president bush into war and now i think this president is being understandably cautious. listen, because saddam hussein had used sarin gas on his own people in 1988, it was not a giant leap to assume that he was going to use them on us or on his neighbors. >> brian: in the aftermath of the war, it was found there after the persian gulf war. >> well, i don't remember a lot of sarin gas being found. some was indeed. i guess. i have a dim recollection of that. it certainly wasn't a big item. but listen, we know now, intelligence tells us now that bashar assad in syria has sarin gas and he is partially loaded them on his fighter bombers that now pretty well established. it's not just fox news reporting it and nbc news reporting it. it's intelligence sources in washington and elsewhere abroad. now it is pretty clear that they have taken at least the preliminary steps. however, and here is where i differ from the vice president, i believe that the secretary of state, hillary clinton, and the president of the united states has mad